tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post4726715259179080823..comments2023-09-29T06:24:50.012-06:00Comments on A POST-MORMON LIFE: Re-reading Under The Banner of Heavenpostmormongirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-12685996838848688022013-07-16T07:43:01.769-06:002013-07-16T07:43:01.769-06:00Thank you ValentinaThank you Valentinapostmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-87544500188210467942013-07-15T17:28:18.627-06:002013-07-15T17:28:18.627-06:00This is cool!This is cool!Valentinahttp://bestmemoryfoammattressreviews.us/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-30750055247203445032013-06-08T14:53:35.863-06:002013-06-08T14:53:35.863-06:00Amazing ! This is cool!Amazing ! This is cool!acronymhttp://lawnmowersreviews2013.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-31961980064186456162013-05-06T20:51:10.320-06:002013-05-06T20:51:10.320-06:00I've been meaning to sit down and read your ta...I've been meaning to sit down and read your take on this book - I'm a huge fan of Krakauer's writing and I felt the book seemed fair and, typical of his writing style, loaded with history and background. When I lived in Arizona, I developed an interest in the FLDS and understanding its ties to and differences from LDS. Focusing more on the FLDS side of things, I recommend Sam Brower's "Prophet's Prey." Krakauer had a hand in getting it published, and it serves as a good follow-up to "Under the Banner of Heaven."TheMenacingKittenhttp://www.themenacingkitten.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-21894088976026420142013-03-26T17:15:29.238-06:002013-03-26T17:15:29.238-06:00I did notice he was under-stated in his conclusion...I did notice he was under-stated in his conclusions - in the later printing of the book, he added an extra section after the conclusion where he addressed the points brought up by apologists. postmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-70270817027640502342013-03-26T17:11:20.251-06:002013-03-26T17:11:20.251-06:00Yep, that book was an eye-opener. I really liked t...Yep, that book was an eye-opener. I really liked the way it laid out all the facts. The author went out of his way to be thorough and (dare I say it) fair to those he interviewed and wrote about. A lot of LDS (even NOMs) don't like the book because they think it's "sensationalist" or something. To the contrary, I think it was under-stated rather than over-stated in its conclusions.grayacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05826902485310649495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-10773115785286171792013-03-22T15:29:05.348-06:002013-03-22T15:29:05.348-06:00You could take that interpretation. It just doesn...You could take that interpretation. It just doesn't explain how Joseph Smith was able to get away with this for so long before getting killed and it also doesn't explain why Brigham Young lived such a long life, even while teaching blood atonement and polygamy. I don't expect these men to be perfect but I do expect them to act in a manner that befits their message. <br /><br />But this is just my opinion and I don't mean to detract from yours. postmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-82343330080620776472013-03-22T10:29:00.076-06:002013-03-22T10:29:00.076-06:00The fact of these 48 or so women were actually Jos...The fact of these 48 or so women were actually Joseph Smith's lawfully wedded wives is doubtful; however there is solid evidence of Joseph Smith being sealed to multiple wives inside the temple. How can this be? Joseph smith knew fully well that the commandment by God had been given not to practice polygamy at this time. But likely due to impatience and lust, I'm guessing that he rationalized he could have a spiritual wife that was not his earthly wife. So that women could be married to other men during this life, but then be married to him in the next life. Now obviously this thought processing is twisted and evil to suit his own lustful desires, and was probably what lead to the beginning of his downfall. As you should know that any prophet who breaks a commandment of God like that is removed from his place by death.<br /><br />Therefore I find it no surprise that it was Joseph Smith's destroying a printing press that was out to expose his spiritual wifery that lead him to Carthrage jail where he was murdered. I also do not find it surprising that it was a group of angry Free Masons that shot and killed him. In my mind, I can clearly see Joseph smith's own mistakes killing him in the end, but his followers being too blind by their love for the fallen prophet to see that.<br /><br />I do not think Joseph Smith being removed from his place disqualifies him as a prophet, and means that he's going to hell. (Not that it would mean anything to an atheist, but it is not our place to say how God will judge a man for his mis-actions during this life.) Perhaps it would be good that even Moses and his brother Aaron were removed from their places for likewise disobeying the commandments of God. You'll find the story within the book of Numbers where Moses smote the rock.<br /><br />In conclusion I simply want to say that I don't know if Joseph Smith told a 14 year old girl that she had to be sealed to him in the temple and have sex if she wanted to go to heaven or not. But if he did tell a 14 year old girl that, in my mind the sin is next to rape. Nevertheless, it is not my place to judge a man. God judged him to death in this life, let God decide whether or not if he will experience a second death in the life to come. Let us not get a hissy fit over it, thinking we're God.<br /><br />All this is my opinion, and I share it with the perspective that Joseph Smith was a prophet, the book of mormon as the word of God, but that prophets only speak the word of God inasmuch as the Holy Spirit witnesses to our heart of the truth that they are supposedly speaking.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17604683908315139747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-78249384159601728302013-03-16T17:57:53.745-06:002013-03-16T17:57:53.745-06:00Sometimes I think outsiders, if they do their rese...Sometimes I think outsiders, if they do their research thoroughly, have a far better chance of seeing things clearly than people who are in the middle of everything. And I was surprised at how spot-on Krakauer was. postmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-56730503986517190252013-03-16T17:56:32.519-06:002013-03-16T17:56:32.519-06:00I'm glad I'm not the only one with this ex...I'm glad I'm not the only one with this experience - I felt quite sheepish to tell the truth. I checked out The Sins of Brother Curtis on amazon - I'll probably put it on my list of books to read, although reading books like this can be quite emotionally draining. postmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-27731467144895977752013-03-15T15:54:45.056-06:002013-03-15T15:54:45.056-06:00I read this book too a few years back, when Yearni...I read this book too a few years back, when Yearning for Zion Ranch and the FLDS were in the news. It makes for disconcerting but enlightening reading. <br /><br />By making you uncomfortable and showing you ugly parts of LDS history, the book opened your eyes and helped you think. Ahabhttp://republic-of-gilead.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-49608387226852064472013-03-15T15:05:01.364-06:002013-03-15T15:05:01.364-06:00Omg.
this book really tore me one; I wish everyon...Omg.<br /><br />this book really tore me one; I wish everyone would read it.<br /><br />the Mormon criticism of this book is so beyond freaky. I feel like krakauer was as fair as fair could be and he now knows more about the religion than most of it's practicers do.<br /><br />reading about those brothers, and thinking how similar their upbringings were to ours is chilling. I still hear lil bits of crazy when people talk about what god would have them do.<br /><br />this book was the first time I knew anything about a peep stone, or js's many many wives. I was sick.<br /><br />i could only think one thing:<br /><br />if this is the One true church then why would there be anything to hide?<br /><br />God doesn't hide, but people with agendas do.<br /><br />my mom still calls me "fault finder."polly composthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001127049046286590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-44099219302116713912013-03-13T07:44:08.551-06:002013-03-13T07:44:08.551-06:00My experience reading 'Under the Banner of Hea...My experience reading 'Under the Banner of Heaven' was similar to yours. What has stayed with me is that all of this was taking place right under my nose and I didn't know of it. I was struck hard with the reality of how naive I was and what a sheltered existence I had. How could I be so oblivious and unaware. Another book that was eye opening, and that I highly recommend, is 'The Sins of Brother Curtis'. Just Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17617582702842642998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-40663407051423481772013-03-12T09:59:15.141-06:002013-03-12T09:59:15.141-06:00Honestly, the book is worth a read - Krakauer does...Honestly, the book is worth a read - Krakauer does a good job at drawing some of the connections between the earlier teachings and the mindset of fundamentalists, including the Laffertys. <br /><br />Funnily enough, one of the Lafferty brothers was cellmates with Mark Hofmann. postmormongirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455759739126093761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7318606957645672999.post-53406282628527421232013-03-12T09:50:30.556-06:002013-03-12T09:50:30.556-06:00I didn't read this one but recently read about...I didn't read this one but recently read about "The 4'O Clock Murdeers" by Scott Anderson. this sounds a lot like the LaBaron family who also believed that tehy should follow "the one mighty and strong" blindly. according to Anderson at the time he went to press, in 1993, there were still many memebers of that cult on the loose. I don't know if it is still true but I have noticed that tehre are some LeBarons, related or not, in the Warren Jeffs cult which wasn't associated with Ervil's cult as far as I know.<br /><br />There seem to be a surprising number of these high profiel murders including Mark Hoffman and in the RLDS Jeffery Lundgren and many more. <br /><br />I'm sure these are only the most extreme but still it seems like a lot. Zacherydtaylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698044667634105382noreply@blogger.com